They are in Bremerton. That's very good to know. Yea, 7 pups, at $800-1000 a piece... I highly doubt.they're going to claim the income either.

One of the perks of dealing with military is if someone is being shady or doing something wrong, contacting their command is free and requires no legal fees

Here are the phone numbers and email for Naval Base Kitsap-Bremerton housing:

(800) 876-7022 opt. 3
or
(360) 396-4399

nbk-housing@navylifepnw.com

I'd start by contacting them and inquiring about the regulations on breeding animals in their housing. I looked at the Jackson Park housing regulations and I didn't see anything specific about breeding animals, but some other bases do have that in the verbage. Regardless, they are pretty strict on the 2 pet limit, which these people are clearly in violation of. Anyway, start with the housing office and go from there. Good luck.

My husband is in the navy and as far as I've been told, huskies are even a restricted breed on some bases (which is one of the many reasons we haven't tried to live on base at all). And only 2 pets are allowed at a time. I'm certain their navy-landlords would not be amused.

The only bases for sure that ban Huskies (that I've been able to find, anyway) are Great Lakes and Beale AFB. That being said, Bremerton may be another of those bases. I didn't see anything specific to breeds when I was looking at their housing stuff, but I may have just missed it because at least the Pit/hybrid ban would be in place there.

blueeyedghost wrote:

The only bases for sure that ban Huskies (that I've been able to find, anyway) are Great Lakes and Beale AFB. That being said, Bremerton may be another of those bases. I didn't see anything specific to breeds when I was looking at their housing stuff, but I may have just missed it because at least the Pit/hybrid ban would be in place there.

We were in Great Lakes for some time, so maybe that's what I was thinking of. I don't really understand why everything isn't standard throughout naval bases (or all military bases). Makes it super annoying to figure stuff out when you're moving and just seems inefficient. Huskies in my opinion shouldn't even be on any restricted lists and don't get why they are. I couldn't believe so many apartments didn't allow them when we were looking for places in California.

I found a "Lord Maverick" b/w husky on AKC's website. Just waiting for confirmation of the registered number and I will pull up his pedigree. Still waiting for the Sam's info.
Granted, these people have a newborn baby, a 6 year old, and a litter of puppies. And the guy is Naval, and the.wife works at least part time. Makes me wonder what kind of.socialization the pups are getting...
And if I'm paying you a grand for a pup, I think you would be a little more helpful. Or at least willing.

Where did you go on the AKC website? I'm curious now and want to look up Raven's parents.

You have to pay to get the pedigree. $15 for an online version. Search for AKC pedigrees, and you have an option of a research pedigree (online only) or a hard copy ($30). You have to be registered on their website to use this.

It's totally personal choice here, but I'd cut losses and walk away. This information should not be this hard to obtain, (and you certainly should not have to pay anyone to obtain it!) it should have been available to you upon request. I keep my dog paperwork together in a binder, photo of dog, pedigree, health certs, etc. This way it's easy for people to see what they want to and need to see. I'd guess this is a pet pedigree and no health clearances on the parents.

Hmm I got the pedigrees for her sire and dam when i picked her up. Just a piece of paper with a bunch of names on it lol was looking more for info on what if anything the parents had been involved in.

I will derail the thread no more. I hope everything works out for you.

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I don't really understand why everything isn't standard throughout naval bases (or all military bases)

The reason its not universal is because not every base uses the same housing people to run base housing. Here in Oak Harbor its Forest City but in Cali its something completely different (Liberty or something like that.) The Navy goes for whatever it can afford (or is cheaper) and the sailors have to follow those rules. I don't know how it is on Kitsap, but here, we're not actually on base. We are on "government property" but not actually on the base, so base police patrol it but that's the extent of it. That's why its not Navy wide rules.

I will now stop digressing lol.

I sent this guy another text requesting the.dad and mom's registered numbers. If he doesn't respond or is reluctant to give them to me, I am canceling the transaction. Either he refunds me my money now, or gives me the pup for my deposit price. Or I call Navy housing on him for purposeful breeding for profit.

So before we knew better, we got our dogs from byb. But even those byb provided us with pedigrees and registrations numbers up front with no problems and it did not cost us any money.

also $500 is pretty steep for a deposit. I agree with what you are planning on telling them and will hope for the best outcome.

i know for me, as much as i wouldn't have wanted to, if i had just spent $500, that is a good amount of money, and even if i would have wanted to cut ties, i wouldn't just due to the amount of money i put towards the dog.

I hope you don't kind me asking this, as I'm genuinely curious, but with Dexter still having some issues that really need full attention, wouldn't you say waiting until you are at a place where Dexter is closer to where you'd like him to be to get a new puppy would be a better idea? That puppy is going to need a lot of training, and a young puppy is very influenced by the dogs around it. This would also give you time to thoroughly research breeders, which many here could point you in the right direction.

Good point Heather. One that I have thought about. When I put the deposit on the pup, the plan was for the boyfriend to be training his dog. That would leave me free to train a companion for him. He is a much more well behaved dog when he has a companion his size. Plus, I want one to train from scratch. It was a way to get us both out of the house. Training our dogs. Unfortunately it has turned into ME training Dexter, as the bf has no dog experience before this one.

Turns out the guy just has no clue what he's doing. He couldn't figure out why I wanted their numbers or to see pedigrees. I finally told him over the.phone, and he said, Oh, ok...well I guess I can send you that info...
Both mom and dad are registered. He sent "Princess Frosty IV"'s pedigree to me... And gave me "Lord Maverick"s numbers. *facepalm at the names*
Going to look them up now. Is there a way to look up their registration online?

OMFG. I seriously just spit my drink out all over the screen at those names. HA!

Glad they have papers.

Just to echo Heather's statement, regardless of who is training which dog, the puppy is going to learn from Dexter... that would include Dexter's inclination to bite. Please be very careful bringing an impressionable pup into the house. Dexter will regress in his training with a new dog in the house (I would expect any dog to), so you might want to wait until you are totally confident with his progress before setting him back.

Found them. Both full registration. Whew. But god, those names.... :s

Honestly, that doesn't mean much at all. Did a little research on some websites (CERF and OFA's databases and myakc) and it looks like they have not hip or eye tested either dog. Neither has any AKC points which makes me think they do not show in conformation. And the female was very young to breed. You really shouldn't breed a dog before they are 2yrs old and she was about 1 year old when they bred her.

Those are HUGE red flags for me. I would totally understand if you still get the puppy, cause I know what it's like to fall in love with a puppy, but I would recommend you try and get your money back especially if you ever want to show. They probably are claiming a champion way back in the pedigrees, which does not mean that their dogs or the puppies will be show quality. If you really want the option to show, I would find a breeder who actually shows their dogs, not just one who claims CH bloodlines. Also look for one who health tests their dogs. If you do decide to get the puppy, I would really try to talk them into only taking $500 for the puppy, because to me $500 for a puppy from untested and not shown adults is not even worth that.

Yea, no tests on the dam or her parents or the sire. Have to order the sire's pedigree, as it was "lost in the move". Blech.
The pup is sweet, and pretty, and her parents.are pretty and (seem) healthy. As they are in this for the money, I highly doubt they will go for $500 short of me threatening to turn them in (fyi, I am a pansy and hate confrontation)

I think I will stick with my pup, and start making contacts with breeders in the area, establish a relationship, etc.. After all, who knows what the future holds?

Oh what a sweet sweet little puppydog!! Reminds me how sweet Dragon was when we first got him. Absolutely precious. My two cents: you will love that beautiful dog so much in time that you won't care whether its truly AKC registered or not. Enjoy loving on her while she's little!!

They will certainly care if the puppy is riddled with hereditary disease or if they have hopes of showing or working this dog. Which it seems there is an interest. Find yourself a quality breeder that actually health tests their dogs and knows the quality in which you seek (and at that price deserve).

I too have emailed this 'breeder' and I'm not impressed. They are not prompt to reply to emails, they dodge the questions I have asked, and even the most basic of requests of seeing photos of the parents is too much for them to comply to. Try to get your money back.

I didn't mean to say they wouldn't care if something was wrong, but merely that you grow to love your dog whether its a "champion" or not. If you're buying a dog just to show it and get a champion title I don't believe that's a good reason to buy a dog. If you don't care about the animal then what's the point, for you or the dog? I was just trying to give a little bit of encouragement about how sometimes the bond and love between you and your dog can overthrow what cons there may have been to begin with. The puppy is cute and deserves love just like any other pup. Quality blood lines or not.

HuskyMom09 wrote:

I too have emailed this 'breeder' and I'm not impressed. They are not prompt to reply to emails, they dodge the questions I have asked, and even the most basic of requests of seeing photos of the parents is too much for them to comply to. Try to get your money back.

Lucky for them I am ridiculously persistent, and eventually got the.info. They are just a military family breeding their dogs for the first time. I didn't get that concept until they had cashed my deposit check. Which they labelled as NON refundable.

So I will make the best of what I have. If she's not cut out for agility (my main showing desire), then I'll try obedience. Or nose work of some sort. And then there is always hiking, pulling.... We'll find something to do.

I was under the impression you were getting a dog to either show or do some kind of obedience with... I can't remember if you said the in a post before or not. Anyways, if you are looking for a quality puppy to get performance out of, I wouldn't suggest continuing forward. If you see just sticking to a dog that you have gotten attached to already and plain just getting it be your average pup at home, I guess it doesn't matter too much. One thing, though, is you should NOT be laying $1K for it. From a very high end reputable breeder you could spend that much- I've seen amazing dogs with great pedigrees go for 900-1,200 for full registration, so a BYB dog should not even come near that price pocket.

I don't know. I know where you are coming from, and it seems you understand you rushed and maybe made the not best decision, and it's cool that at least you understand and learned for next time. I just could not stomach myself getting s dog from these people and giving them my money. I would still continue to tell the people who bred that they should negotiate the price to you as they made it sound as if their dogs are championed, when they are not. You have your leverage.

Being in the military community myself, I will tell you that a lot of the military families that do this sort of thing, the breeding, do not do it in a way I would find respectful at all. I wouldn't even classify them in the "BYBs who love the breed and want to share the love for it!" category. Most of them are money hungry. The people breeding their huskies or trying to, I couldn't even get into that without getting nasty about it, haha.

It sucks because it's not the puppies these idiots bring into the world who should suffer... On one end, it feels like you are "saving the puppy" and bringing into your home where you KNOW it will stay and prosper. On the other hand, you are fueling the "breeder" by giving them your money and they will repeat it. It's a difficult world out there. I really wish people had to go through some thorough process to be able to breed and people could verify their credibility by it.