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Wolfpack17
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PostSubject: No doesn't mean no   No doesn't mean no EmptyMon Jul 11, 2016 10:35 am

Hello all!

I have a 3.5 month old, Carter. While he is my first personal dog, my family had a Husky and a Malamute when I was young. Trouble is, my parents don't remember how they trained them or how long things took.
Carter knows sit, down, shake, look, and roll. He does not know 'no' or "ack ack". How can I teach him no? Typically, I use no when he is trying to put his mouth on anything that he shouldn't. I do this every time he does this, and typically I give him a toy or bone that he should put his mouth on instead. When he goes from mouth on me to mouth on toy I praise him. However, he still always puts his mouth on me or a couch or a chair. How long will he do this for?

My other question is not training related, but Husky. Do Huskies have small bladders? Carter will pee a good long pee and then need to go back out in 15 minutes and seem to still have a lot of pee. He loves to drink water and I'm wondering if I'm letting him drink too much? I've heard of food restriction when the pup can only eat at certain times but is water restriction a thing? My family says to just take away the water dish but I don't want him to be thirsty.
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CoraTheHusky
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PostSubject: Re: No doesn't mean no   No doesn't mean no EmptyMon Jul 11, 2016 4:13 pm

About the water! Cora used to drink a crazy amount of water last summer when she was a puppy, I think it's because they are puppies and very hot and do not know how to regulate themselves. If he is peeing "too much" I would limit the water as well as outdoor activities! Cora grew out of the water thing as soon as it started being fall an colder outside.
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PostSubject: Re: No doesn't mean no   No doesn't mean no EmptyMon Jul 11, 2016 4:16 pm

It's a puppy thing. My girl is 4 months old and I seriously have to walk her a good 10 minutes and she'll pee about 3 times in that span. She also drinks a ton of water.
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PostSubject: Re: No doesn't mean no   No doesn't mean no EmptyMon Jul 11, 2016 4:27 pm

At the risk of being insensitive, I'm going to have to suggest that part of this may have to do where you live and you don't say.

I live on the desert and there is not way that I'd even consider limiting my dogs water.  Sasha will go through two bowls of water (I can't give you any idea - it's a normal plastic water bowl) and of course pees the "yellow river" when she goes out.  With our current humidity at slightly over 25% and temperature at about 98°  Dogs cool themselves primarily by evaporative cooling - evaporation off their tongues and heat release through their ears, feet and tummy.  If you're in a hot (85+ in my book) or dry (less than 50% humidity), in my opinion, they MUST have water available.

If the pup is healthy, the last thing I'd be worrying about is how much they drink and urinate.  Limiting water is a major cause of dehydration - which can be quickly fatal - and urinary tract infections.  

Another possibility is having a dog who's in an air conditioned environment where humidity if artificially low and the dog thinks they have to drink more.

While I don't know for sure, I think that Cora might be on to something but again, I'd be very careful limiting water.

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PostSubject: Re: No doesn't mean no   No doesn't mean no EmptyWed Jul 27, 2016 8:47 am

Thank you! I hated the idea of limiting water! I live in northern virginia and it can get hot here. I'm glad that the drinking and peeing tons seems to lesson with age.
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PostSubject: Re: No doesn't mean no   No doesn't mean no EmptyThu Jul 28, 2016 12:41 am

The husband and I were just taking about the "he just went out 5 minutes ago he can't possibly need to pee again" thing. It must be a puppy thing...

As far as "no" goes- he might understand he's doing something his humans don't like, but he might still think the fun-thing is worth doing anyway. If you stay consistent it should get better-Lukas finally learned that hands and feet are meant to stay attached, and that took three months in and of itself... His putting things in his mouth might get better once teething slows down too. I know ours is particularly bad about ignoring "no" when his mouth hurts. It sounds like you're redirecting tho, so patience might just be of the essence.

Thats just my experience tho.. Someone else might have better tricks to reinforcing No as a "command" so to speak?
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PostSubject: Re: No doesn't mean no   No doesn't mean no EmptyThu Jul 28, 2016 8:58 am

1) No takes time to learn as a puppy but as far as the no and mouth it is definitely a puppy thing. It might even get worse before better as at 4 Mo you have teething so break out he chew toys and teething treats. What you are doing with replacements and praise sounds right on.
2) the water I have only limited at night for the little bladder that can not hold it all night. If we went out he got water after 7 or 8 pm. However other wise I gave him a measured amount of water 30 minutes before bed and a small bit at bedtime when he was learning to hold it over night. (or learning to wake me up to make it outside). During the day it is all the water you want. However you long pee and then a second pee within 10 minutes is something Vlad does every morning. As he has grown up he will hold the second pee unless I put him out again but if I do he tries again and has a small pee. As a small puppy (he is 7 mo now) he would ask for the second pee or as a real small puppy almost oops with the second pee. Definitely find your routine and make it work. If it is a long pee and ten minutes later a second one plan it in. But find out if there is a routine to it. First morning pee all the time after eating after play only ????
3) all dogs seem to have a different "tell" or quirk. (ie routine) see if you can figure out yours. Remember most puppies have the "pee" need after sleeping playing or eating so when they do anything that is different you might need to take a break for pee.
PS this is totally different for Bourbon he was the pup that would go out and pee for an hour then play for 5 minutes then poop and then back to play. Religiously. If Vlad wakes up he still wants to pee even though he can hold it just fine. My first one always had to poop and pee 30 minutes after eating.
4) no as a command I never thought of needing to reinforce or change it however I do us no if it is some wrong, if the mouth was on my person I yeeked or yelled ouch pretending it hurt and gave a different item for their mouth ( I started out starling the it almost because a command of ouch no had toy.). If it was the couch it was no or no no ( getting attention) but if is was another inanimate object they were told to drop it and if they were going for it but did not have it yet it was leave it. The drop it and the leave it you can train with to by setting the dog up for a walk past object as tell them to leave it as you approach. Lots of praise involved like other training.
5) lastly could it be you need to get more attention with the no change you command to be recognized. Stern and authoritative not sure how you say no but maybe.

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PostSubject: Re: No doesn't mean no   No doesn't mean no EmptyWed Aug 03, 2016 4:37 pm

Mochi peed a lot as a puppy, even if she didn't drink a crazy amount. I think it's just a puppy thing. She will pee every time we go outside now, but it's not crazy amounts anymore. We have never limited her water and I don't recommend it, especially for puppies. Puppies get UTIs and bladder infections very easily if you don't provide enough water or potty breaks.
An acquaintance of mine got a husky puppy a few months after I did and she limited her water (and apparently didn't take her out enough to potty) and she got a pretty serious bladder infection.
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