So since i do all my growing indoors in pots the time of year is irrelevant, im starting an herb garden so far i have about 30 basils and looking to add in cilantro and maybe a few other things for the farmers market. Which brings me too my dilemma, there are hundreds of varieties of cilantro/coriander and im not sure what type to grow. Also any good websites or seedbanks to get non GMO seeds. Im kinda paranoid about using my card online and not all websites are legitimate. So if you know any legit sites or seed banks or even reccomend a type of cilantro please let me know.

I order my stuff from bakers creek (rareseed.com) and peace valley (groworganic.com). Another good source is Mi gardener (migardener.com). I'm not sure if mi gardener carries certified organic or not but the seeds are heirloom and they are only .99 a pack. Super cheap but reliable. I have a pack of cilantro at home. Will have to see what kind they are. I've done the slo-bolt that bakers creek carries and it's done well for me. They sent me a new variety this year to try for free along with a purple basil.

Fedco seeds, a Maine cooperative, never knowing sells gmo seeds. Their catalog is a wealth of information. And their seeds are exceedingly affordable.

Also, Johnny's selected seeds, they label organic or non organic, another Maine cooperative, they carry Santo and Calypso, Territorial see company, they have 4-5 different cilantro varieties.

Thank you this year im going tabletop/window sill. Everthing still needs lights even in the window. I discovered that it is illegal here to grow berries because it attracts bears so the berry idea is out. Ive been looking at dwarf starfruit and dwaft dragon fruit trees but hubby is NOT on board with trees in the house yet.

I have a lemon tree blooming right now. It doesn't really look like a tree so I don't believe my husband knows what is going to happen in time, but they don't get huge and you can prune down harder if need be. blueberries will grow in pots pretty well if allowed to do indoor berries or in a greenhouse if you got one. I have more lights on order. Going to get all my stuff setup this week and start some flowers and probably onions pretty soon. I've started trying to plan where all things will go. I have 6 large containers and then some grow bags. Have garlic in 4 of the large containers. Thinking eggplant will go in the other two and my hot peppers will go in the grow bags since I need to keep them separated from the garden where my bell peppers will be.

It makes sense about container berries inside i just never really thought about that as being an indoor. I can grow whatever inside or in a greenhouse (but isnt that what a dining room is for?) I noticed when i moved up here you dont see real greenhouses here more sheds with a few roof panels replaced with plexiglass sheets. And then there is the heating issue after the wind issue. Geodomes are really all that can handle the wind, i have a blueprint for one using pallets and plasic sheeting. Its just not heatable.

My greenhouse is a shed style with a ton of windows and clear roof panels. Those are the kind you can insulate and will hold up the best in the wind. You might could get a commercial grade high tunnel but bears can go through plastic sheeting without issue. I think here, zone 6a, I can insulate my greenhouse well enough most things could stay in it except for January, February, and some of March possibly without running extra heat. The walls can be insulated with foam board along with the ceiling, and then to maintain light you cover the windows in bubble wrap and it makes a pretty good difference. Blueberries aren't bothered by the cold so they can sit in an unheated greenhouse, without insulation just fine all winter. I have a black currant bush that has been in a pot outside for 3 years and it hasn't been bothered either. Hardest thing is pollination. Make sure you have a fan during bloom time or open the windows.

Last year i had bees pollinate my tomates in the house. They should mostly stay out this year because we had to screen out the hummingbird that stalks me. Hes probably in texas or mexico right now but i have a feeling he will be back.

So the sun shed like you are talking about they have kits on amazon for under 2k. The issue with those along with a regular shed or a garage all require permits. The way around permits is an old rail car or a shipping container. I could really make an old rail car work and ive been looking for one that isnt in terrible shape can can be delivered. Then i can use half as a greenhouse and half for storing stuff thats currently outside under 5 ft of snow or being stored in random corners of the house. Here is my dining room

I am glad to not live somewhere that I need permits to do things. We specifically ruled out certain counties when we were house hunting due to there being zoning or subdivisions with rules. Luckily greenhouses seem to fall exempt on taxes too. Not seen as a permanent structure, kinda like a carport, so they don't count them. Unless you put in an actual footer to secure to. Then they might be viewed as a permanent structure, but when built right they don't need crazy footers so that is how we circumvent that.

You're going to need a bigger a table. lol.

Haha the table has 3 leafs its way big. I have a 1200 watt metal halide sodium halide set up in the loft just nothing up there so its off. So many projects this year so far stupid expensive ones like the truck suspension again on the 14th trying to aquire the 3 lots across the driveway so i can get horses again fixing my fence to be more permanent with less zip ties an actual greenhouse is so far down the list. So im in a tourist mecca for people from texas Arkansas and Oklahoma. Its like redneck resort. Im just outside the town of south fork. Its an awesome place to live except during summer tourist season. Fall winter is hunting and snow stuff those tourists are much more reasonable. No hoa but we are a zoned county but for every restriction people have found 5 workarounds or loopholes.

Texans are funny they come with big hats and shiney new boots and think they are in the wild west. The wild west is 2 counties east they are in a tourist town. We almost had a war between locals and summer people over the Verizon cell tower crashing for almost 2 months and the internet broke when stranger things came out on netflix. Our little mountain town can barely handle the flood of 4k people that the town averaged on weekends summer 2019.

Hey you!! watch how you're talking about Texas folks!!! Living where I do (right outside of Big Bend National Park and Big Bend Ranch State Park) we see our share (and them some) of the tourist crowd as well. The thing that really gets to me are the ones who come down here in their 75 foot 'camper" trailers and then complain because we have no cell service / no internet (most places) and then wonder what they're going to do - hell folks there's a gazillion square miles of geological history to examine, 150,000,000 million birds / other critters to see, an entire other country (Mexico) to go visit ... for what do you need the internet??

I enjoy talking to the tourist --- "You actually live here? What do you do?" Whatever the hell I feel like!! What I don't enjoy are the damn yankees - you know, the ones who come to visit, then buy land and want to make it just like the grass and garden they just left. Let me tell you folks, you can't grow grass down here. There isn't enough water for a lawn and even if you got it to gren up, the sun would beat it to death in the summer (8-9 months of the year!)

Oooopppps, someone got me started ....


And, oh yeh, those Texans you're talking about are probably transplanted Yanks who think anywhere there might be a "wild cow" (what we'd call a steer!) is the wild west! Sheesh, gimme a break!!!! (( and yeh, I'm a transplant, but I've been here 30+ years, even the "real Texans" consider me a hardy transplant! ))

#1 argument on facebook involves tourists particularly ones with campers. The 1 and only main road is 65 mph the locals drive about 75 the tourists driving their very large busses or trucks pulling campers are 1) going 45 2)taking pictures while driving very big deadly weapons at 45 3) they think us locals should slow down to enjoy the scenery 3a) going 45 when everything is 50 miles away is ridiculous, yes the scenery is beautiful thats why i moved here and if its so beautiful pull over i have places to be.

I have complete and utter contempt for people with big campers that dont drive the speed limit or are really just afraid of their rig because i had a 38 ft 5th wheel and a really big f250 bumper to bumper i was at over 50 ft and i was going 80 between Santa fe and taos. I pulled that trailer from houston to Colorado. It was home for 4 years

I detest the people that move to the country to get out of the city and the first thing they do is open their big yap and want to change everything to be like the city. "It's too dusty, we must pave these roads. I don't want to pay to maintain my own well or septic tank, we should all be on county sewer and water so everyone has to cover my utilities for me. My neighbor raises pigs, we should have rules to make them get rid of the pigs they've had for 20 years before I moved in." That is a fight my home county deals with constantly since we are near a decent sized lake. People retire there from the city because the cost of living is cheap and it's quiet but then they immediately forget why they moved there and want to change it.

When we lived at the Lake of the Ozarks it's a huge tourist area. Winter is great, summer is hell. Campers and boats that don't belong anywhere but on the ocean. Idiots with more money than brains everywhere and none knew where they were going. And if you have nice landscaping you better be on guard, the idiots might steal your roses.

Hah!  Tourist season? We are in the heart of the finger lakes, Watkins Glen state park, Watkins Glen international race track, wine country, Seneca lake with it's marinas... We are inundated. The worst is race weekend. Fortunately we are up on the hill, away from the village and can get around without going into the village.

As for permits, as long as any out building is less than 200 sf, not needed. Also same for temporary building (like a built of property and hauled and set, able to be picked up and moved.

We are in for a day off snow squalls and high winds. Plummeting to 10° overnight, back up to 29° tomorrow, 44° on Friday and 55° on Saturday. Barely any snow cover to moderate the extremes, hoping I don't have any perennials sensitive to the fluctuations.

Jenn, when we moved here, 33 years ago, we were happy to move to an agricultural community. But am also very happy our road was upgraded from clay (improperly designed, according to the road supervisor in next town over) which was full of tire eating ruts. Now is oil and stone. But. We drew the line when the realtor showed us a house that might have been a yes until we found out it was dining from the biggest pig farm in the county! She neglected to tell us that information but the hospital people spilled the beans. Hubby was livid! But. We passed. And we are fairly protected from development now with the land across the road in conservation easement in perpetuity. The only concern now is the land behind us. It's changed hands several times in the past recent years. It was logged, responsibly, and than sold again but I think the current owners are using it as a hunting property. No problems with that. The guy that bought it for logging was actually a conservation officer for the DEC. So was careful to do what was right for the health of the property.

Sigh. The outside of all my windows need washing. The sun this time of year highlights the dirt. Not sure how we'll manage that. Used to have a handyman to do that sorry of thing. But he up and moved after a domestic violence warrant.

And final, non consequential observation: the barberry on South side of house never shed it's leaves this year. Turned beautiful red, now a rusty brown but still very much present. And needing a size reduction...

Where i am was a failed subdivision. The lots were laid out for having public water and sewer. That was in the 50s. By the 70s it was bankrupt. So now they require a minimum of 4 lots or total land of at least half an acre. The 3 properties across the shared driveway are all owned by 3 separate people. Also the 2 irrigation ditches make it so there never could be total land or 4 lots. Basically im the only one who could make them useable. And im on the very back side of the subdivision across the road im on is a big cattle ranch. Across the irrigation ditch is a mini trailer park kind of thing. They are all related and put in a central well and septic. They are a very nice family and do random stuff for me periodically.I talked to zoning and the neighborhood allows livestock

There are alot of cool things to do here and the full time residents are way nice. Ive just learned if i need to get something done in summer it needs to be finished by 830am. Also the grocery store runs out of food on a regular basis during tourist season. It way funny until you have to drive 40 miles to find hotdog buns.

Amymeme my family farm in howard county maryland was surrounded by soybeans and corn. Property values skyrocketed and almost everyone sold out. They put 5 mcmansions per acre then they started complaining about my horses and manure management and smells and me riding on the easments. When i broke my back and was told i couldn't run a farm especially one with 52 horses the family liquidated the horses and sold the property. It is now a 150 house development and they put a stupid fountain in the pond.

Emily, there certainly won't be 5 residences per acre heat. There are no town services, well and septic only. And between the geology and Seneca lake being part of the Chesapeake watershed, building is limited to minimum 5 acre building lots. Our house sits on 5 acres and we in the 25 acres behind that. We own woods on the south and west, easy of us is the 50 something acre conservation land and north is a family farm. We have a large Mennonite community and they buy up farms as soon as that com on the market. And actively farm them. They are good stewards of the land up here. The properties are best, attractive and well kept. I suspect we are safe from over development probably for the rest of our life here (I'm 68.)

The actual town of southfork has water and sewer. Well sometimes anyway. The town well went dry they bought a few private wells to keep the water on but its only temporary. We have major water issues. We have irrigation well rights to irrigate 500 acres.

In maryland we were the last holdout but when the developer started talking in the millions it financially made sense.

We have 10 acres that turned out to be a disaster. 1/4 mile from the rio grande and borders blm and the national monument is 8 miles south.

Sadly i have a bad feeling i may end up in a camper in Florida with 4 dogs, two of which want to kill each other. I absolutely hate Florida but my grandpa is having issues.

If i had moved to the east side of the county or alamosa, costilla, or conejos counties i could have bought a decent sized ranch for what we paid for a 40 year cabin in really bad shape with no working kitchen. We actually were almost priced out of the southfork/alpine/creede area because we didnt want to look at trailer homes and we were being realistic about the actual mortgage payment. We wanted to be in the mountains not the valley. Where its flat in the san luis valley land is cheap. The house i live in now i go out the back door and i see the rio grande and del norte peak and i go out the front door and i see agua ramon which is the mountain i live at the base of. My neighborhood is weird though its a mix of mobile homes small cabins and multi million dollar homes. And cows are everywhere just walking around loose

That ten acres sounds good to me. While I'm a little further from the border - say 30 miles - we don't have to big a problem with "transients." With large expanses of desert on both sides of the border and national/state parks also covering much of the area, again on both sides of the border, they've learned that passing through here s a bad way to die. Most of us don't mind giving someone some water, maybe even something to eat "but keep on moving, Juan."

I'm actually surprised that you said it was a disaster, with it's location, I'd have thought it would have a pretty good value - referring to the BLM and monument portions not so much the border.

I wish you better luck with your grandpa than I had with my mother. I moved her down here when her mental health "went south" and she decided she was going to walk home (from Texas to New York) and headed off south. She ended up going into a locked ward at a nursing home ... and I still feel bad that she couldn't spend her last few years with me here (( even though she and I never get on well )) And there's almost no way that *I'd* go to Florida - not even for a vacation!!

Al its not a transient issue out there, when i was trying to build my barn and living on the property my stuff was getting stolen and sabotaged. There are a few groups of people out there, sovereign citizens, people that moved to Colorado from alabama to grow marijuana, and people running from the law. After the 3rd time my horse was stolen and 300 gallons of gas was stolen, and the only decent person out there was murdered we moved and put the property up for sale. Lots of details left out but those were the big things. Also dog food and groceries would be gone when we got home almost every time me and jerry left together the camper was broken into. We know who did it the cops refused to do anything even after they stole my 500 gallon water tank. So one day i make the 70 mile trek to alamosa i get home the water tank is gone drive up the road and see it at the child molesters house i called the cops and they refused to do anything other then tell me to sue them in court even after they admitted to taking it. It was a custom tank cost over 1k and they should have been arrested for felony theft.

Most of the people causing those issues are gone to prison or left but a friend of ours who was cooperating with the police over a child molestation case. He wasnt a child molester but kids his grandson was friends with were being forced to do child porn by thier father. The kid told his grandfather who was a very standup vietnam vet whe then called the cops. 2 days before he was supposed to testify in the trial someone barricaded his door and set his house on fire.

I had planned to set up a horse farm out there. But after all of the shit going on out there i wish i hadn't bought the land or mpved out there. If i had just stayed at the air force base in abq i would still have my horse, my 5th wheel, and my 2 cats.

Property is up for sale with owner financing at 0% interest 500 down 200 a month total price 5k. Its really beautiful

Ouch!!! Maybe it doesn't look so good right now. We've got a good sheriff's dept here. They get involved when they need to and leave us all alone the rest of the time.

I had to laugh at the "Sovereign Citizen" we have a few of those but interestingly enough they've decided it's better to talk it and not walk the path. One, a sorta friend of mine, spent a month in jail after he bs'd his homemade license plate and no drivers license. His resolution was to just bum rides from everyone now.

We *had* a fellow here lived who *had* a kiddie porn sit in Belize. We woke up one morning to half a zillion cops / agents of various bureaus "knocking" on his door with whiz-bang grenades. We all knew it, we all complained but he kept it all off shore so there wasn't anything they could do - apparently he slipped up. I'm waiting to see what the result of a trial is gonna be (American justice means his trial's gonna be a long time off, but that's okay - the judge decreed "Bail?? No bail!!!" so he sets in the federal lockup awaiting trial)

We're an odd group of people who mostly just want to be left alone and most of the time we are.

I think this topic got hijacked .... just a little bit, sorry Amy et al.

Do you have a real estate listing for the property that can be linked with the info? I see people in a homesteading group I'm in that are always looking for land to go off-grid. Some can throw down cash, some might need the owner financing. Lot of people always looking to move from one state to another and don't think about checking what the locals might be like so don't get as scared off by that sort of stuff as long as it doesn't happen while they are there looking it all over.

Welp. Gulp. The more I hear over the years, the more I'm happy with our little piece of Earth. If slugs, or drainage and snow are the worst we have, I'm grateful!

O actually read an article on climate change recently that suggested Western NY might actually become a"climate change haven." Though, much to my chagrin, it also said l protracted, cool, wet springs. The downside. The upside? Longer, warm autumns. With a hot, dry period midsummer. Not so bad since most of the year we have abundant moisture.

Anyone know of a truly deeply saturated orange rose, repeat blooming, own root, zone 5 hardy with good disease resistance? Preferably about 4 ft high?

If you had asked me 10 years ago i could have sent cuttings. I had a huge rose garden i built for my mom. All the roses were in the yellow/orange/pinkish orange. I got them all from sun nursery in woodbine maryland. Had everything from mini tea roses to non vine climbing roses. So an embarrassing fact about my childhood and high school, i competed with beef steers in ffa and roses for 4h. These are some of my 4h roses before they were cut for competition. These are cut back Joseph's coat climbing roses. Im in zone 5a with a 90 day season. Now i have a wild garden and lots of species rose bushes. The bees and the hummingbirds love the wildflowers that grow all over the yard