Just out of curiosity, does this site seem to say BYB/mill or is this a legitimate breeder? Obviously there are translation issues as they are Russian and so the English text may or may not convey what they want it to. I figure maybe someone who's from Russia or at least has more familiarity with breeders can give a better opinion on this.

http://huskyhaven.net/

and just a note- I'm not getting a dog from them or having the thread turn into a flaming angry rant against this place. My question is fueled by plain curiosity.

Considering they have dogs from some of the better kennels in the US and importing/exporting is quite a process, I'm guessing they are a good breeder. I know Trillium Blue is quite picky about where their puppies end up and they have several of their dogs. They also have a Huskavarna dog. Although, you never know if it is an accurate representation of their breeding stock. Anyone can download pix and put together a website, but it looks legit to me. I'm not sure about exporting, but for importing, a dna test is required for the puppies to be allowed to register. My pups dam was imported from Spain.

Also, don't you know that any breeder discussion can lead to an angry rant, especially one with innocent intentions. I kid, I kid.

yes, ive noticed that most breeder discussions do end up with rants lol. i should just expect it.

My puppy's Sire came from one of their dogs (although i would consider the breeder we got Kiba from to be more of a BYB). At the time, we were dummies and i knew more about the characteristics of the breed and less about selecting a high quality breeder. So there ya have it. The breeder mentioned this is where he got his dogs (he has 5) and its on her pedigree information so i looked them up.

If you look at some of the pedigrees they also include Karnovanda and Innisfree. Which, are also two very good ones. I don't have any experience with Innisfree, but I've heard they aren't quite what they used to be, but still have beautiful dogs. Plus, most of the dogs on the husky haven site have championship titles in Russia and surrounding countries. I think they look like quality dogs to my untrained eye. Husky Haven doesn't look like a byb to me. Is your puppies sire on the site?

this is his (kiba's sire) pedigree listed on their site:

http://huskyhaven.net/dog27703

they don't have a picture of him up though. I really can't make heads or tails of international show titles and things like that.

i should clarify too that i have met both the sire and dam in person when i visited the breeders before picking a puppy. the way i had that worded made it sound sketchy like i had never seen him before

That's what I thought you meant, as in they had been imported, or the previous generation had. Wow... Spawn Von Demon lol, what a name

yeah...i thought it was strange too. and a little funny. probably not what i would name my dog but there ya go. His dogs were named with norse mythology in mind if i remember right. To each their own i guess

They seem to have a lot of litters, though the pedigrees seem ok.

yes i noticed that as well. i think the thing i questioned was show stuff. i mean, how do i know if that kind of thing is legit or if they are just making up titles and unknowing American's are just impressed with it not knowing its all bogus.

Well, i appreciate someone looking at it. She's the best dog a girl could want and is just a companion (she's spayed) so i suppose info won't impact anything at this point. Its just my curiosity of her lineage that's piqued my interest.

You could always contact trillium blue and ask them if its accurate. They would at the very least know if their dogs listed on the site are legit.

That's a really good point. If they are indeed trillium dogs then it would give them a lot of credibility. Thanks for the suggestion!!

They do things a little differently in Europe/Asia; They also have a different "type" they expect to see in the show ring.

I don't know what I think about them, but I imagine the dog in your pedigree is one of their older stock and perhaps the new dogs are an attempt to be more legit?

I'm not sure, though, so don't quote me hahaha.

I can see that being a possibility. It looks like their dogs now are all show quality but with no pictures it's hard to see what kibas predecessors looked liked. Both dame and sire are working dogs (they do dry land carting) and are handsome but I can't comment on how they stack up to the breed standard. It wouldn't surprise me if their goal was to improve their lines. I had no idea people imported dogs until the breeder talked about where they came from.

wpskier222 wrote:

Also, don't you know that any breeder discussion can lead to an angry rant, especially one with innocent intentions. I kid, I kid.

hahaha , i feel like experienced this firsthand .

I just didn't want to personally start an attack on anyone but rather just get educated opinions. sometimes the breeder/going-to-breed threads make for some interesting reading with all the drama! I guess I should remember that I put this thread in motion but I've got no brakes or steering for where it will go from there lol

Yeah wen I first started I posted about a breeder that I didn't know if I trust or not . That I had bad feelings about that I live near , and had no idea what that it gets like that . And I rode that rollercoaster for a while with like a jillion notifications. The whole time I was like oh dear god , I've created a monster . But it was super informative

That was a really great discussion. I thought it was fairly drama free. Sorta.

Well The breeders that got on here and commented weren't drama free but everyone else was . It just turned into something bigger than I expected . WAY bigger . Lol

well at least it wasn't like some of the ones in the "Dog House" section of the forum lol! I did follow that thread though because it always gets interesting when breeders get on here and get defensive. I generally tend to agree with what other members say in those discussions about needing some darn good reasons for breeding and doing hips/eye checks ect. but id rather not facilitate it.