He does look so grown up already! It's crazy how fast they grow.

He is SO handsome! They grow so fast. He definitely is looking so grown up. <3

Mechta. Dizzy. Playdate. MUST.

Niraya wrote:

Mechta. Dizzy. Playdate. MUST.

I'm inviting myself too Shadow needs to be included.

What a handsome little devil!!

Dizzy will be happy to entertain your two lovely girls until he gets tired and falls asleep lol. Which I have yet to see happen with another dog. A seven year old kid can wear him out in about 45 min though.

I was doing a little research into Dizzy's pedigree today and found out his grandsire is from playmor. I think he looks like him quite a bit! I'm sure it will change as he grows, but what do you guys think?

http://www.narizdenieve.com/portal/content/view/113/47/

Now that I see his grandsire at 4 1/2 months, I see where he gets the big hind end and barrel body from at this age.

http://www.playmorsiberians.com/player_photo.html

Wow, that dog looks full grown at 6 months, he's huge!

VERY beautiful dog!

Fast maturing line - it's a trend of the show world.  (this is a general statement - not implying Dizzy is a dog from such lines - I actually don't know)  People want their dogs to look like adults while they're still puppies so they can get out there and win (American's want everything bigger and sooner lol and I can only speak for dogs in the US - not from abroad).

I am not a fan of fast maturing lines/dogs (as is obvious by my choice in breeder/line and puppy lol).

Dizzy is one handsome fella And his fur looks so lush!

Niraya wrote:

Fast maturing line - it's a trend of the show world.  (this is a general statement - not implying Dizzy is a dog from such lines - I actually don't know)  People want their dogs to look like adults while they're still puppies so they can get out there and win (American's want everything bigger and sooner lol and I can only speak for dogs in the US - not from abroad).

I am not a fan of fast maturing lines/dogs (as is obvious by my choice in breeder/line and puppy lol).

I'll upload his pedigree at some point, but it would seem he does have really fast maturing lines. Player, grandsire (dam's side), which is the dog I linked to, was an American champion at 9 months, then exported to Spain and won a major (or their equivalent) by 10 months. His sire is mainly from Nando, Casey (which I'm not too big a fan of) and Jalerran. His sire, was exported after the breeding and is now the number 8 dog in Thailand. Four generations back, there are Innisfree dogs, Nanook dogs and a Teeco. So it looks like the foundation is innisfree on the sire side. The dam is a bit of a wild card since there are some different kennels over there, but they seem to trace back to Innisfree as well. Does everything trace back to Innisfree?

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Does everything trace back to Innisfree?

The honest answer?  Pretty much.  Innisfree is one of the few oldest (and still remaining) "original" kennels that helped to really push the breed in the show ring and make it what it is today.  

Many show Siberian pedigrees are bred only on a few very specific lines - that's just the hard fact of it.  (And even kennels who "outcross" and have a bunch of different kennel names/dogs in their pedigrees are mostly still bred on those same few lines).  

Food for thought:  I was talking with Mechtas breeder the other day and she ran a pedigree of a dog from a from a typical show breeder.  Its a 12 generation run and breaks down inbreeding %, common and unique ancestors, % of blood etc.  In this dog Innisfree's Sierra Cinnar alone is repeated 122 times in 12 generations.  This dog is comprised of 24.9% Cinnar blood which would the equivalent of the dog being a grandsire to himself.

That's pretty typical of a generic show pedigree (since Cinnar was very heavily bred in the 80s after his Westminster win).  You'll run into pedigrees with more Cinnar and others will have less.  Not saying they all have this exact number but the lines outside of Innisfree that make this dog up are either lines Innisfree used to create their line or lines that also breed heavily on Innisfree.  (Think Innisfree but just under different peoples names because they have their own kennels etc).

For comparison she also ran Mechtas pedigree.  Innisfree's Sierra Cinnar is only in her 12 generation pedigree 28 times.  About 1/3 of what is in current show pedigrees.  (I specifically wanted a lower Innisfree derived pedigree with less popular sires for specific reasons - not an easy thing to find).

As an aside and of interesting note - I can trace Mechta back to Tserko who was a 1930s import in just 12 generations.  Many show pedigrees are probably 20+ out from him.

/off soapbox!  Didn't mean to hijack your scrapbook, Jen!

Wow! That's crazy! No wonder there were so many health problems for a while! Do you know if Karnovanda's stock came from there as well?

Karnovanda is the other really old, well established kennel that helped push the breed and is still around.  Judy has her own very well established line - her stock doesn't come from there but Innisfree dogs can be found throughout her pedigrees (the same is true for many kennels - they might not have dogs directly from Innisfree but their dogs can be found in the pedigrees - Mechta is no exception she has Innisfree behind her [just not a lot] for very specific reason and also Karnovanda).  Judy's first breeding to establish her kennel and foundation stock was out of Ch. Eska's Nonie, U.D. and Ch. Monadnock's Pando that produced (and went onto become) Ch. Baron of Karnovanda, C.D., and Ch. Karnovanda's Zenda, C.D.

Because of how popular Innisfree is - it is incredibly hard to find dogs who don't have a large amount of Innisfree or Innisfree derived lines behind them.

Many/most show Siberian's look very similar and it's because they all come down through (mostly) the same popular sires and lines.

Very interesting.

I made a little collage of Dizzy from the day I met him, until today. :)It was pretty fun. I used a $5 mac app called CollageIt Pro.

Wow is that bottom left one the most recent? He looks gorgeous. His mask darkened a bit!

Aww, he's grown so much!

eddycaaa wrote:

Wow is that bottom left one the most recent? He looks gorgeous. His mask darkened a bit!

I took the one on the bottom left today. He's not that dark though, its a bit of editing magic.

This pic is probably a better representation of his coloring. He's a pretty light grey/buff color, aside from his mask, its darker but he still has that sandy color.

Awwww Dizzy!

I need to see him again, soon!

wpskier222 wrote:

This pic is probably a better representation of his coloring. He's a pretty light grey/buff color, aside from his mask, its darker but he still has that sandy color.

Look how big he has gotten!! I demand more Dizzy pictures!

Niraya wrote:

Awwww Dizzy!

I need to see him again, soon!

Hee hee. We ran into a really tall female husky on the way to daycare this am and he bit her face... It made me think of Mech lol. I'm trying to convince my hubby to drive me to your place on saturday so we can come to the meetup... By the way, can I ride with you? Lol.

 

simplify wrote:

Look how big he has gotten!! I demand more Dizzy pictures!

Yes he's quite the big boy now. I think I need to find a new hosting option. servimg is such a pain to use.