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simplify wrote:
Not sure if these are any better! He's standing more in line than the other pictures. He just won't stand still!  The best two out of like 30 pictures.

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So here is an updated fail!stack picture of Mishka. All he kept wanting to do is sit down. -_- He is now 11 months old. And he's out of coat in these pictures.

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Well here it goes. This is my gorgeous girl, Sophie. She is 2 years old and I am having trouble objectively judging her conformation. I see things I like and then there are things that seem off so IDK. I think I need a more experienced eye to have a look at her! Smile

She was NOT cooperating stacking at all. She just wanted to chase the birds and dig up moles. But I will post the best ones.

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I can't really evaluate based on these shots Sad

At the very least could you get a ce shot of the front of her face and the side of her face?
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Hello!

Gus is in no way a show dog haha. Nor do I plan on showing him. But i did have a question about standards that i can't seem to find on the internet anywhere. Everyone always comments on how long he is, but I don't think there is a standard for their length, is there?

They might just think he appears long because he is very thin right now. His height is 23inches-ish. I'm not very accurate with my measuring. But anyways, just thought i'd ask to see if anyone knows anything about this.
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Here is the Siberian Illustrated Standard from 1999, on page 10, it describes differences in body length. Smile

http://www.shca.org/pdfs-docs/1999_IS.pdf
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I know Mishka is not show quality or anything but I realized I've never measured his height. I need to try to do that. he's pretty tall though. It wouldn't surprise me if he was over 23 1/2 inches.

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Thanks Jen!! I LOVE this book! Reminds me of those old library books back when I used to still use a library haha. I feel like I can smell the library book glue smell haha

Gus is definitely excessive length then haha. But i guess he is still a growing boy. Interesting how there are no measurements though. I guess it's just all through observation.
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I think they are redoing the illustrated standard and I'm wondering if it may be more in depth in terms of measurements, angles, etc.

After looking into it a little more, I think I must have measured Dizzy incorrectly. I think he is probably actually closer to 23". I'm going to remeasure tonight.
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I am so happy to have found this group and this particular topic in general. Thank you for starting it. It was invaluable to go through all the posts from the beginning to see various examples of type and structure, as well as the diagrams posted.

Here are a couple pictures of one of our show puppies "Ti". I would love some confirmation of his strengths and weaknesses. Thanks so much! Sory the movement pic is so blurry. It was a camera phone.

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You know, I posted a thread in general discussions as to why my dog was so big, and I wasn't really satisfied with the answers, so hopefully someone that shows dogs can give me their opinion. Ice is 100lb on the dot as of now, but I'm perplexed as to how he's so big. He is a little over weight but if got down to 95, he'd still be giant in terms of Sibe standard. Can anyone see Mal in him at all? Subtle or or apparent? I know bad breeding is a possibility, but if he is pure Sibe and being bred poorly, how many generations would it take of breeding over sized Sibes to get to his size?

What are his showing faults (besides his size)?

Anything that conforms to the standard?

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This is my almost 5 month old husky puppy.

Please keep in mind I have no show experience and this is just my sister holding him while I take pictures with my cell phone. I never have the good camera when I have someone to help.  

Also Simon needs a bath his coat normally does not look that bad but I have been wanting the have the show people tell me how Simon measures up for a bit and haven't had an option or place to get pictures.

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Wow, I didn't realize how big Simon has gotten! He's still got that fluffy "show" look. Of course, with puppies it's hard to judge against the standard but it looks like he's on the right track. Smile
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Ha ha, at first, I thought it said, "Yorkie for sale." I need more coffee...

I think Simon is developing very nicely. Slowly, but nicely. I wish Dizzy would have grown more slowly. Smile

Here is a thread I started about him when he was around the same age as Simon. You can see how grown up he looks in these pix as compared to Simon. https://www.itsahuskything.com/t10721-dizzy-stack-pic-pedigree-questions?highlight=dizzy Also, some other members posted some pix of their show puppies so I could see a comparison between the two which was very helpful.

Overall, I really like how balanced Simon appears. Diz was kind of a mess at that age ha ha. Simon has nice length of leg and a nice neck. I always notice neck because Diz had none at that age. I think Simon is a little short in body, but that will definitely change as he gets older. Dizzy has definitely gotten longer.

Are you planning to show Simon? Smile
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No Jen my mom would be pissed if I sold her dog.

Wow Simon looks way younger than Dizzy did at the same age. And he is really fluffy compared to a lot of the other young dogs even the show ones. I like that both Simon and Dizzy let there ears droop if they are tired or just relaxing.

Simon has been getting longer every time I look at him he just looks huge. But I have always though he looked like a very well proportion dog.

I am pretty sure his breeder said I could show him if I wanted to. I would double check with her before considering. But I don't think so. I just don't have any experience with either grooming or showing and it would be just for fun at the shows close by so I wouldn't want to pay a handler and a groomer and not get to be the one having fun. If I knew people close who did it I might consider it but I don't.
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Simon is likely going to have an overly plush coat, not entirely incorrect but not the ideal coat either. It's in his lines. Given that, grooming for show will be much more time consuming. Denali has spots of overly dense coat, I have to line comb weekly to keep it separated, and then daily 2 weeks before showing. Not what my 'idea' of a starting show dog was, but I figure if I can groom this boy a more appropriate coat won't be that difficult Wink

I agree he's looking kinda cobby bodied, which again you'll be fighting genetics on that as well. The lines he comes from are slower maturing, but I assume you were told that. It will be interesting to see how he turns out.
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Simon is likely going to have an overly plush coat, not entirely incorrect but not the ideal coat either.  It's in his lines.  Given that, grooming for show will be much more time consuming.  Denali has spots of overly dense coat, I have to line comb weekly to keep it separated, and then daily 2 weeks before showing.  Not what my 'idea' of a starting show dog was, but I figure if I can groom this boy a more appropriate coat won't be that difficult Wink

I agree he's looking kinda cobby bodied, which again you'll be fighting genetics on that as well. The lines he comes from are slower maturing, but I assume you were told that.  It will be interesting to see how he turns out.

Thank you for your response I was hoping you would chime in. I know you know more about his lines than most although his mom didn't look super plushy to me. But his dad and grandpa are kind of fluff balls. Could you explain what :"line comb" means?

Yeah the breeder said she normally doesn't make her final call on show dogs until they are 2 (unless they have a clear flaw) because they normally don't fully grow up until then. Question on that, should I wait a little longer with biking and sledding if he is going to be growing longer?

In a few months I will take some more pictures so we can see how he is changing.
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Line Combing- http://www.netplaces.com/dog-grooming/brushing-101/line-brushing.htm

You'll have to remind me who Digit was bred to, I thought Salle but at the same time I don't think that's right...June?

I'm not sure where Digit got that plush coat, Ash certainly didn't have a plush nor did Jaime...his sister Mira isn't overly plush either.  Though it seems Digit has had no issue passing his coat style on.  I'd have to take a deeper look into the grandparents than what I have.  His coat and body style were two major deciding factors for me to pass on him when he was offered to me, beyond the health issues.

As far as working a dog- I always suggest waiting until 15-24months when the growth plates are closed.  It will be interesting to see who's body style Simon develops...right now it seems he's following his sire.

As you can see Mira is a much different dog than Digit (if you even got to see him)
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What breeder is Simon from?
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I got my puppy from a breeding between Kaniska Siberian Huskies from Washington and Rocky Ridge Siberians also from Washington. I mostly communicated with Kaniska Siberian Huskies but do to some pregnancy issue I actually bought Simon from Rocky Ridge Siberians.
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Still working on training the kennel help Wink

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This one is much better than yesterday's Still room for improvement

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Ok, so I didn't want to hijack the thread by Jen about the weird looking paw but I had a few questions about the conformation/gait.

How should the back legs look during the gate? Is it normal for the paws to be closer together than the hips, and by how much? Or should they carry themselves with a wide stance at the rear?

The tail- I'm always confused on the tail. I see so many different images but I still don't quite understand a "fully snapped" tail versus an acceptable tail. I know Shaqua's tail is a bit off, but I'm trying to figure out if Journey's tail fits the standard.
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mbarnard0429 wrote:
Before I evaluate anyone but Dizzy (only because I know Jen is looking at this from a conformation point of view) I want to make it clear that any comments made are not to demean the dog or owner. If I say a dog is pet quality due to certain features, it's only meaning the dog is not good breeding stock. Every dog is wonderful in its own way - that does not mean it should be bred.

I hope everyone understands.

Oh, and I love this. Smile So true. Smile I find people take offense when I tell them their dog is way to big for standard... It's not an insult, just a fact of standards.
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