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Can anyone tell me about kodas faults? And if he has any good features..Im never going to show him. Im just curiou.. Excuse the dirt on him he was about to get a bath when i took these pix. He found a mud puddle at the park lol..

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I like his tail (tailset I think is a bit high, though) and coat.  I also like his head/ear set.  He's down in his pasterns it looks like - but it might be the picture?  Something about the picture to me makes him look not balanced but it is more likely the way he is standing and when the picture was taken opposed to him actually.  It also looks like he has a shortish neck.

So many variables depend on how the picture is taken and the exact moment that the picture is taken and of equal importance is how the dog is stacked so it's hard for any of us to effectively evaluate any dogs from pictures.

Please remember I'm not trying to be mean when I evaluate and I am definitely not an expert and am still learning.  Lani and Megan would have much better grounds to stand on for an evaluation as they have more experience.

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I would agree with most of what Ceara has pointed out already, tailset is too high, he is cow hocked in the rear, down on the pasturns, the layback of the shoulders is too shallow, moderate chest, short neck. He does have a nice length of loin, a nice topline, nice headpiece, and appears to have a nice appropriate coat-
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Can someone take a look at Kaia...just curious how she looks to others as I'm a little biased! Conformation - A Realistic Look at Sibes and their faults :)  - Page 14 5c90bc33-73e8-44a5-a785-3013306f6181_zps962eda7c


She appears to be high in the rear causing a swayback topline, slightly cow hocked in the rear, layback of her shoulders is too steep.  I do like her headpiece though her ears in this pic do look oversized for her head her profile is nice though, nice moderate bone, a decent length of loin, and a nice coat.
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Thank you both soo much! I completly understand your not being mean.. That is exactly what i wanted honestly! Thanks soo much!! I dont understand a lot of terminology you use for conformation cause im not real familiar with it.. What does cow hocked in rear, pasturns, and length of loin? Again thank you guys soo much!!
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Fig. 3 is "cow hocked"

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Here are some other terminology lists-

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For shoulders, this is often the hardest one to understand-

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Well-angulated shoulder with equal length upper arm.

The shoulder blade and upper arm should be about the same length and set at the same angle to form a wide vee set on its side. The prosturnum (protruding bone in the front of the chest) should be prominent enough for the muscles to attach and anchor strongly. Without enough layback to the shoulders, the neck will be short and lack the required arch. The dog's gait will not cover much ground. It will “pitty-pat instead of striding out. The distance a dog can extend its forelegs leg out in front is determined by the angle of the shoulders. A steep angle will result in restricted front extension, and the withers will be up in the neck instead of slightly behind it.

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Short upper arm with withers in neck.

A dog with a short upper arm will pound, and the front foot will drop slightly at the point where it meets the ground instead of landing smoothly.

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Long upper arm with sloping topline

An upperarm which is longer than the shoulder blade does give the dog a long, extending stride, but it also creates a sloping topline. This is the structure popular in many sporting breeds, but it is not appropriate for a dog expected to pull a sled.
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Thank you guys soooooo much!!
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This just seems interesting to me. No worries if you guys don't have time. Smile


And these are terrible because I could not get him to stay still.

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Oh I had this page open all day and never posted and just saw you guys' posts! I'll have to see if I can compare the guides to him. XD

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If you could get a better picture of him standing (It's MUCH easier with help!) I'd be happy to (attempt) an evaluation. That's just not a good picture.

I will say he's a tad short in body for my liking (I like longer dogs) but boy does he has a super handsome head! I like his coat, too.

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Niraya wrote:
If you could get a better picture of him standing (It's MUCH easier with help!) I'd be happy to (attempt) an evaluation.  That's just not a good picture.

I will say he's a tad short in body for my liking (I like longer dogs) but boy does he has a super handsome head!  I like his coat, too.

I will definitely try to get a better picture this evening. I'll try to get the fiance to help me again. He's terrible with getting Mishka to stand and he's even worse with a camera. Conformation - A Realistic Look at Sibes and their faults :)  - Page 14 1625187496 

Thank you. Smile

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When I get the urge to do pictures and I'm alone - I set up one of the dining room chairs in the kitchen and I set the camera on continuous timed. The T3i has a rotating screen so I turn the screen so it faces me and I set her up to make sure she's in the viewfinder and it's at a good height. When all is said and done I focus it, hit the button and use the time that the flash is loading to get her stacked.

It's a pain in the butt.

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I used to have an IR remote for my camera, but the battery died and I cannot find one to fit it anywhere. That I find is the easiest and it was well worth the like $30 for the remote.

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Yeah! I've been meaning to look for a remote for mine and just haven't gotten around to it. Probably still won't get around to it any time soon lol.

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Not sure if these are any better! He's standing more in line than the other pictures. He just won't stand still!  The best two out of like 30 pictures.

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I take almost all of my pictures myself. Tripod + 9 series shot timer. It came in especially nice when I traveled the country for 74 days by myself, or getting pics of Shaqua and myself. She knows thedrill when I set up the camera now Smile Perfect!
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simplify wrote:
Not sure if these are any better! He's standing more in line than the other pictures. He just won't stand still!  The best two out of like 30 pictures.

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These are much better Smile

I love his length of leg. He's still too short in body for my liking - but he's still a puppy. I think he has a very steep croup and a short neck. Tail seems short to me too - but I like a longerish tail. If you pulled his rear legs back a smidge his topline wouldn't be roached so that would be good Smile

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I agree on most thing except the tail..the tip is hardto see but extends past the hock.

He's a cutie
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I agree on most thing except the tail..the tip is hardto see but extends past the hock.

He's a cutie

Lul. Didn't even think about the color/floor thing.

I shouldn't do evaluations late at night. ROFL

I retract my statement on the tail.

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These are much better Smile

I love his length of leg.  He's still too short in body for my liking - but he's still a puppy.  I think he has a very steep croup and a short neck.  Tail seems short to me too - but I like a longerish tail. If you pulled his rear legs back a smidge his topline wouldn't be roached so that would be good Smile

I think I'm going to work on the "stand" command with him and try to work on stacking just to be able to get pictures to see how his growth and development comes along from this point on.


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I agree on most thing except the tail..the tip is hardto see but extends past the hock.

He's a cutie

Thank you! Yeah, the lighting and floor color kind of blow the tip of his tail out but it does go past the hock.


I always find that his neck looks short with a collar on but when it's off it looks longer. That could just be me since I don't really know anything about their points. Lol.

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at first I was thinking the same thing - had to super turn up the brightness and I could see it lol
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at first I was thinking the same thing - had to super turn up the brightness and I could see it lol

Yeah...3am isn't the best time to evaluate stuff, I guess. lol

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Hello, I'ts been a while since I promised to deliver a more decent photos, so here we are: almost 10 month now.
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Some absolutely horrible pictures of movements (i don't know how that happened, we took almost a hundred of those 8\)
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