zizzuki wrote:

Niraya wrote:

Red's who are in the sun have their coat get "sunburnt" or "bleached". Red coated dogs are hard to care for in that way because even longer than 15 minutes in the sun a day can start the bleaching.

Oh. Well no her coats always been this color since she was a pup. Its never been a true red. At a show i went to I spoke to breeders about it and they all agreed shed be considered a red sable, but simply just red.

That's interesting as I would not call her a sable - as sables have dark pigments as opposed to liver. Time to do more research (since I haven't gotten to pigment colors and correlation in my genetics research yet)!

Niraya wrote:

zizzuki wrote:

Niraya wrote:

Red's who are in the sun have their coat get "sunburnt" or "bleached". Red coated dogs are hard to care for in that way because even longer than 15 minutes in the sun a day can start the bleaching.

Oh. Well no her coats always been this color since she was a pup. Its never been a true red. At a show i went to I spoke to breeders about it and they all agreed shed be considered a red sable, but simply just red.

That's interesting as I would not call her a sable - as sables have dark pigments as opposed to liver. Time to do more research (since I haven't gotten to pigment colors and correlation in my genetics research yet)!

yeah when her coat first started changing i did a lot of research, but i seriously could not find a name for it anywhere. but i did find others with her same color. in person she looks like she has gray hairs mixed in.

Niraya wrote:

zizzuki wrote:

Niraya wrote:

Red's who are in the sun have their coat get "sunburnt" or "bleached". Red coated dogs are hard to care for in that way because even longer than 15 minutes in the sun a day can start the bleaching.

Oh. Well no her coats always been this color since she was a pup. Its never been a true red. At a show i went to I spoke to breeders about it and they all agreed shed be considered a red sable, but simply just red.

That's interesting as I would not call her a sable - as sables have dark pigments as opposed to liver. Time to do more research (since I haven't gotten to pigment colors and correlation in my genetics research yet)!

Dilute red ...?

Niraya wrote:

zizzuki wrote:

Niraya wrote:

Red's who are in the sun have their coat get "sunburnt" or "bleached". Red coated dogs are hard to care for in that way because even longer than 15 minutes in the sun a day can start the bleaching.

Oh. Well no her coats always been this color since she was a pup. Its never been a true red. At a show i went to I spoke to breeders about it and they all agreed shed be considered a red sable, but simply just red.

That's interesting as I would not call her a sable - as sables have dark pigments as opposed to liver. Time to do more research (since I haven't gotten to pigment colors and correlation in my genetics research yet)!

Yeah Sables Tend to have the black noses.

She could be a very dilute copper. Tika resembles that when bleached in the summer months too. Teek has a saddle though.






Best I can find this instant of her colors.



Kelly and I will try and get a stack of both ours tomorrow to join in

~Chris~

well i got zizzy at 8 weeks in february, and within 2 weeks her coat changed instantly to this color. and she was never outside too long. especially it being february. so its not the sun causing it lol.

"All brown or liver dogs always have brown nose leather, eye rims and pads. Likewise all black dogs always have black nose leather, eye rims and pads. It is only the reddish/yellowish/cream/white dogs that have nose color different from their coat color."
Quoted from one of my studies.

By the statement and according to her pigments - she's a "brown or liver" but in Siberian's they are called reds (because we don't have browns/livers such as what you would see in the Vizsla or the Labrador)

In other words if you REALLY wanted to know you could DNA test her.

Actually - If you don't mind letting me use the pictures you have posted here of her I can ask some people I know who are much more knowledgeable in genetics than my guesstimating to maybe give you an idea.

Lol go ahead and use her pics, as long as you tell me what they say!

zizzuki wrote:

Lol go ahead and use her pics, as long as you tell me what they say!

No! I will not! I'm going to keep the information all to myself!! :3

Just kidding

Megan, thanks so much for starting this thread. Cato is gorgeous. And thanks to all who have contributed - it's fascinating! And so hard to think of 'faults' when all your dogs are beautiful. I am going to come back and read through it again properly tomorrow.

Jess, Zoey and Zizzy are the same color, her breeder has her listed as Sable, but she's light red

My female is sable. Delilah has grey and red guard hairs, but her entered undercoat is a beige buff color and she has red all the way through her coat. Its not just buffing and burning. Very few dogs are true sables. For a while I thought she was wolf grey. I had three.of the really prominent Siberian breeders i'm Michigan educate me on this lol

Hmm is it possible to tell any faults at 4 months or should it wait until a year? I want to get into puppy shows soon (more for experience for myself) and kinda wanna know what her faults are before I derp into the ring xD

mheath0429 wrote:

My female is sable. Delilah has grey and red guard hairs, but her entered undercoat is a beige buff color and she has red all the way through her coat. Its not just buffing and burning. Very few dogs are true sables. For a while I thought she was wolf grey. I had three.of the really prominent Siberian breeders i'm Michigan educate me on this lol

thats exactly how zizzy is in person! her undercoat is an off whitish under her red and she has the grey hairs mixed in with the red lol. her mom is registered as a sable.

Jennet&Embry wrote:

Jess, Zoey and Zizzy are the same color, her breeder has her listed as Sable, but she's light red

lol zizzys just registered as red & white. but both zizzy and zoey were like a light cream red color as youngsters and then changed completely!

Here are our examples of both decent breeding and very poor breeding.

Tika was taken from a champion Canadian breeder. Mother from Kortar Kennels, father from Innisfree.
Her Stack

Her profile

Face

From above


Now for Ripley, very poor breeding, mixed with Chow Chow and probably something else too.
Her stack, you can see the Chow tail very well


Her back legs in particular are really bad


Profile


Face


View from the top, you can see her Half Mask very well.

heres zizzy free stacking it yesterday. her front legs are stretched out too far. and she needs a bath....badly lol.

The last pic she's kind of free stacked a bit weird... But I would say I like her stop and head but she's too leggy and straight?

arooroomom wrote:

The last pic she's kind of free stacked a bit weird... But I would say I like her stop and head but she's too leggy and straight?

i dont think shes too leggy. she looks a lot like a friends of mines dog she shows.

The main thing I notice about Cheyenne is her front. It's very straight-looking. I would have to feel her to really know more. feel her angles? Are they according to standard? She's not too leggy really, its just her angles. Her back legs are underangled. She could use more rounding.


For those who don't know terminology, here is an awesome pic.

All 3 of my boys would be laughed out of the ring lol Izzy wouldn't even want to go in a ring . i will say they all have nice movement and once in harness, they can run forever.

Koozie would have the best shot i think. although his coat is always crappy no matter what and he has missing teeth.




Keno is on the small side, his coat is nowhere near show quality and he has missing toes and zrd so he has flare ups and his tail is just whispy thing.





Klutch is still growing, but he might end up on the larger side of the standard. he also seems to have a short tail.




Izzy, she'd want to eat any female dog she got near lol

tiffany wrote:

All 3 of my boys would be laughed out of the ring lol Izzy wouldn't even want to go in a ring . i will say they all have nice movement and once in harness, they can run forever.

Koozie would have the best shot i think. although his coat is always crappy no matter what and he has missing teeth.




Keno is on the small side, his coat is nowhere near show quality and he has missing toes and zrd so he has flare ups and his tail is just whispy thing.





Klutch is still growing, but he might end up on the larger side of the standard. he also seems to have a short tail.




Izzy, she'd want to eat any female dog she got near lol

oh my all of your dogs are so beautiful! izzy and koozie are definitely my favorites of them i must admit.

Some more pics of Cato I made him stnad still - ignore the mess. hahaha

This isn't great but it is a pic of front




Rear


Free Stack!


HE was not being compliant - my freaking brother decided to come in at that exact moment

zizzuki wrote:

Lol go ahead and use her pics, as long as you tell me what they say!

So what I've been told is (from the pictures) she's a red. With no obvious black in the coat (from looking at the pictures) and since her points are liver (with no noticeable black in the coat) she's a red - though she's an "unusual shade of red"

Megan, thank you for posting the drawing. I've been around more show horses than dogs. Been looking at Lola compared to the breed standard. I will have to post photos and see if you all see what I see.

Niraya wrote:

zizzuki wrote:

Lol go ahead and use her pics, as long as you tell me what they say!

So what I've been told is (from the pictures) she's a red. With no obvious black in the coat (from looking at the pictures) and since her points are liver (with no noticeable black in the coat) she's a red - though she's an "unusual shade of red"

Lol tomorrow i'll get some close ups of her fur and under coat. She is quite unusual.