So I was asked to join this "wolf group" on Facebook. It was pretty much an informative group, showing you and teaching you what is part wolf and what is not.

Well, they started bashing AKC Breeders saying they were very snobby people and saying some really horrible stuff about AKC Breeders. Also, on top of all of this they started ranting on how breeders should not have OFA and CERF certifications. That they mean nothing at all. It was a waste of money.

If some of you don't know, I am a AKC Alaskan Malamute breeder and my female does have all these certifications. She came back with good eyes, and with her hips and elbows came back excellent. Yes, I am very new to this and doing the best I can without being labeled as a BYB. Very last thing I want. I believe with everything I have provided for my girl, I know with out a shadow of a dought this is something I am not.

Anyways, have any other breeders had this problem? Is OFA and CERF a waste of money? Are these people crazy and just wrong? Since I do not have a male I have to pay for stud fees. I know when I was looking for a stud I had to to provide all these documentations to the other breeder before they even thought of me doing this with their males.

These people have to be crazy!! 

Sound like those rescue case people to me, where every breeder is horrible and evil and only wants to make money and abuse their dogs. I'd just ignore it personally, I've tried pointing out to them that reputable breeders do not make profit off of their litters and it all goes back into their dogs and fees and testing, but they never listen.

Ok, that's what I thought. I have learned so much from here and I get on this other group and WOW! It just amazes me on what all they just had to say about breeders... But, they were breeding high percentage wolf huskies/ mals... Just think i am going to delete myself from the group and the drama.  

My thoughts exactly. Overzealously pro rescue folks who are anti pure bred dogs whatsoever will obviously find no value in efforts to assure higher quality and better health in pure bred dogs.

The issue is very interesting and extremely polarizing, but so long as we find any value in keeping pure bred dogs around we need breeders who do these testings.

People don't realize that if more breeders were in fact ethical and responsible that would be a good way of hacking away at the problem of overcrowded pounds and rescues in the first place.

But again, the premise " pure bred dogs are worth keeping" is really the hot seat debate.

Agree, It is a very hot topic to talk about. Just amazed me though on what they had to say. By all means there is nothing wrong with shelter dogs, Micole is one (husky).

BTW, Link is a very looking guy. We both got our pups about the same time and I have been watching him grow. It has been a while since I have been on here because of school and work. But, WOW! you have a very handsome guy on your hands. He has grown up to very nice looking.

Thanks Amy, we couldn't be happier with how he has grown and developed so far. He's shaping up to be perfectly in standard and a very good dog to boot. I update his scrapbook very regularly if you haven't checked it out recently . Tons of pics.

I will check him out fore sure!!

Well I'm just going to say it doesn't matter what 'group' they come from people of all 'groups' are crazy. My (former) *breed* mentor slammed into my head that any dog I planned to breed needed to have OFA hips, multiple consecutive CERF/SHOR eye exams, burcellosis testing prior to breeding. Then I find out that they don't even do hip testing and that there was no need since they knew their lines so well it would never happen that they would produce bad hips and that they had running dogs so you can see bad hips on the trail. I guess what you don't know can't hurt anyone right.

Either way I'm going to continue to health test my dogs and require the same of anyone inquiring to breed to any of my dogs-

It doesn't sound as if they are anti-breeder if they are breeding hybrids. It just sounds like to me, that since they can't register their dogs with the AKC, they look down on the whole process of what is commonly referred to as a reputable breeder. I guess they figure why bother testing if they can't register the puppies anyway, although I totally disagree with that logic. Lani, it's interesting you say that about your breeder not hip testing, my breeder said the same thing about her lines and HD (although, she doesn't run dogs). She tends to only test the dogs she brings in from outside her breeding program, but she does eye test every dog.

Just as a check, isn't OFA and CERF more or less a breeders tool to help in picking dams and sires (sorry, still a farmer) that have the least possibility of passing on bad eye and skeletal problems?

Personally I would remove myself from their drama. I find that people who are strongly anti-AKC are usually grossly uninformed and attempts to educate fall on deaf ears.
Just curious, if they are breeding hybrids, what steps do they take to insure the pups are healthy and placed into proper homes? I see a *lot* of hybrids bring rehomed in my state because people bought one without knowing what they were getting in to. Since there's no specific breed to improve upon (the goal of hobby/show/racing, etc people), are they just trying to make a buck? IMO, that makes them no better than BYB and mills.

wpskier222 wrote:

It doesn't sound as if they are anti-breeder if they are breeding hybrids. It just sounds like to me, that since they can't register their dogs with the AKC, they look down on the whole process of what is commonly referred to as a reputable breeder. I guess they figure why bother testing if they can't register the puppies anyway, although I totally disagree with that logic.

That's exactly what I was thinking. It really, really doesn't sound like a rescue group. I've gotten into FB "debates" before with people that's probably in this group. They say that all they need to do is take their dog to the vet, do a basic physical exam, and that's the end of it - those dogs will be bred. They have no interest in showing and/or working their dogs, and health testing. Oh well, you can't fix stupid. There was even a chick who bred low-content wolfdogs and wanted to get them into the ring "eventually" and take the show world "by storm"  

I'd say to leave that group - they're no good for you.

To note, I wasn't trying to say that they were a rescue case. I was going off my experience, where I encountered a group of people who were all anti breeder pro rescue and as I said in my first post, they think all breeders are evil regardless of health testing or temperament testing. It doesn't matter what they support or protest, they refuse to see the good in the other side. In this case, a byb who refuses to see the good in health testing and AKC registration because of a negative experience they've had with it (not being able to register, not wanting to spend money on health testing, whatever the case may be). I have not had experience with such an extreme byb though so I preferred to use my experience with the rescue groups.

It's probably a group of BYB's who want to feel good about themselves.

IMO, OFA & CERF is important because it shows that someone is willing to put the work in for their breed.

Yes I have deleted them to get out of the drama. This morning before work I saw a lot of them say some bad things about huskies and how people should not be breeding them. That they are horrible dogs   Don't get me wrong.. my female husky is bat shit crazy... she is balls to the walls a lot, but she is not a horrible dog. That was my last straw and got away from it all.

What I don't understand is they talk all this shit about huskies and breeding them... but more than half are part husky!! That's how they get their "wolf dog mutt".

I don't understand what goes threw peoples heads sometimes. They try to act like they know everything and no... no they don't.

anyways, thank you everyone for chiming in. It just blew my mind on them saying about the OFA testing and how their dogs are so perfect but yet, they are illegal in most states.. Isn't their a reason for that..  

Oh one of them started spewing this exact same stuff in another one of my husky groups on FB- I almost had to laugh thinking back to this post. How ignorant these people are- it's just because they don't want to cut into their profits and proof their breeding stock or fear their dogs would be documented as not breedable candidates.

Ew Facebook drama. Just back away slowly and ignore them while possibly going to a safer, slightly more abandoned site like Myspace for awhile.

Seriously though it would probably be best just to leave the group. They're going to hold on to their opinions no matter what. Confronting them most likely wouldn't do anything at all and would only make you anxious/angry for days if not weeks. Internet debates are a messy business that almost always end in disaster anyways so why bother? xD